Cheers thats very interesting, didnt know ninjitsu was developed by social outcasts. Thank you that was very informative! There are quite a few threads here about the history of ninjutsu. Silent could clear some things up in here. As for the arts themselves, there isn't much of a difference from what I've seen. Throws locks pressure point striking it's all in both.
Maybe emphasis changes ninjutsu-get out of the way jujutsu- break the opponent? Zamfoo , Apr 26, The Ninja were in no way social outcasts as is the popular story all around the Internet and on various forums. Have a look at it as Don lives in Japan and holds the government's highest level of proficiency in reading and writing the language.
He has done his research using plenty of Japanese sources so it is safe to bet that everything contained in his article is accurate. Now, as far as Ninjutsu and Ju-Jitsu emerging to defeat the other, this is simply not true.
Neither had anything to do with the creation of the other. If you have any other questions that you would like me to answer, please feel free. Take care for now. SilentNightfall , Apr 26, Interesting question because it depends on what the question is Ju Jutsu vs Original Ninjutsu: Ju Jutsu is an unarmed series of combat techniques whereas Ninjutsu is a series of specialised stealth, spying and infiltration techniques.
Ju Jutsu vs Buj, Gen, Jin Ninjutsu: Much of the unarmed combat techniques of Ninjutsu contain movements, elements and techniques that have similarities to those in Ju Jutsu. Most likely these were taken from the art of Ju Jutsu and utilised by the Ninja for the unarmed part of their art. Older forms of jujutsu range from supplemental battlefield training for armored warriors to complete unarmed self-defense systems for civilians. These historical koryu arts are niche arts and relatively hard to find legitimate training in these days.
Most jujutsu schools you can find today are modern "gendai" systems. Not all of these systems still use the jujutsu name, but you can often find more similarities between a school which uses the jujutsu name and one that doesn't than you can between two schools which do use the name.
Bottom line, the labels in question are so broad that it's impossible to answer unless you narrow it down a bit. Tony Dismukes said:. Click to expand Thank you all for your answers. Poison darts, primitive explosives, being an undercover mole, hanging upside down for hours, throat slitting, etc are skills that very few are qualified to teach or others want to learn. There is much more, as you touched upon, to being a ninja than fighting. Charbel Hanna said:.
If you have anything in particular to say about the Bujinkan styles, I'm all ears. Joined Mar 20, Messages 3, Reaction score If you want the history of studying a "ninjutsu" art, then go for it. If you wanted an "updated" approach with ties to the old schools, then many people like Stephen K. Hayes approach with To-Shin Do. But, like Tony and others have pointed out. Both the ninja and samurai would have had very similar jujitsu training. The ninja would have focused more on escaping grabs and strikes to create distance and escape since their missions were supposed to be covert and not being caught.
They would not have had the restraining skills that samurai would have also practiced for taking prisoners. If you care none of that and want the skills of what the historical ninja would have had. Train like a Special Forces soldier in covert ops and weapons and skills, then mix in espionage training and wilderness survival training. I trained in the Bujinkan for about 8 years and since leaving I've occasionally stopped in to visit a class or watched video to see how things have changed.
In the 28 years since then I've trained a number of different styles, but my primary technical foundation is in BJJ and Muay Thai.
The Bujinkan curriculum is a fairly well rounded mix of grappling standing grapping, not newaza , striking, and weapons work. There's not much time devoted to the "ninjutsu" elements of stealth, climbing, and so on. The technical principles of the art are reasonably sound. The problem is that actual sparring is just about non-existent. Techniques are typically practiced against an training partner who presents a pre-determined, overly committed, highly stylized attack.
Most commonly you'll see a stylized long range lunch punch with the arm left hanging out at the end or a static wrist or lapel grab. Even when you see the attacker present a combination or a "free style" attack it still will be the sort of incompetent attack that would never work against a skilled fighter.
The result of this in my opinion is that you end up with practitioners who are skilled in demonstrating techniques against a certain type of stylized but incompetent attacks and have lots of theoretical ideas about what would work in a given situation that don't necessarily hold up in reality.
There are techniques taught in the Bujinkan which are reasonably workable, others which might work under certain specialized situations, and others which just aren't going to work at all for anybody - but there's a general lack of awareness of the difference between these high-percentage, low-percentage, and no-percentage techniques. To be fair, this is a criticism I would have for any system which doesn't include any kind of sparring.
The best things I got out of my time in the Bujinkan were improved body awareness and control, good ukemi, and a sense for thinking about things tactically. Bujinkan dojo vary a lot in terms of their approach and training methodology so it does depend on the teacher. If I'm understanding correctly, the link is that Takamatsu had an instructor with a familial link to the arts from that region. However that doesn't mean that Togakure Ryu, Kumogakure Ryu, or Gyokushin Ryu necessarily existed under those names, with the same formal curriculum, or with the claimed lineage prior to Takamatsu.
Would you say that's fair? True, but the specific elements I cited seem to be pretty widespread, Would you agree? Martial D Senior Master. Joined May 18, Messages 3, Reaction score 1, Alright, thank you for your answers! Does Ninjutsu incorporate grappling? Im a newfoundlander where can i learn ninjutsu? Is it to late to learn Ninjutsu at age ?
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